i hope the powers-that-be in brooklyn are paying close attention to what is happening in state college, pennsylvania with respect to the hideous pedophile scandal at penn state university because it speaks directly to their own handling of pedophilia.
here is a news release about the matter:.
state college, pa. (ap) -- penn state's investigation into the jerry sandusky scandal concludes that the administrators who fielded a 2001 complaint about him created a dangerous situation for future victims by not reporting the matter.. the freeh group's report issued thursday said that in order to avoid bad publicity, president graham spanier, football coach joe paterno, athletic director tim curley and vice president gary schultz ''repeatedly concealed critical facts.''.
Wow Balaamsass
Getting hit for 300,000. How many elders who wash windows can afford that. But the elders are independent agent from what a attorney at Bethel told me when I called about the pedophiles in the hall I went to. My husband never knew he was just a independent agent said he was never told the whole time he was an elder for 32 years. Now they are slapping that one on the elders. Crazy anyone would stay in this religion.
LITS
i was a regular taxi for alot of people.. we (wife & family) pick up one sister and her 2 children for many years ...he husband had walked out on her and we did'nt mind.. however when we were asked by the cobe wife to pick up and elderly and infermed bro a 3 day assembly (we had 3 young children) i said no.. we pased her and her daughter traviling alone to the assembly.. .
Bubblegum Apotheosis
I was never once offered a penny much less a dime. The pioneer sister we used haul around, I actually went over to her home and spoke to her on two different times the last time she was hateful she shoved this foot stool at me and told me to sit on it as I was standing and she sat in this big Lazy boy chair.
I told her I was sick of picking her up and driving her all over so she could get in her 90 hours a months and having to listen to how tired she was how she had PMS for three weeks out of the month to explain away why she was so rude and such. I told her I had to work to support my husband and myself as my husband was devoting all of his free time to the hall as he was the only elder. It was not fair that she got a free ride. Her answer was what does it matter to you, you are going to be out anyway having me with you does not cost you anything.
I was tired too. I was sick of her wanting to go out alone with my husband while I worked. I did not like it or think it was proper for them to go door to door alone being that they were both married to other people.
In the hall I pioneered in we had 10 pioneers. Married people would work alone all the time with another peoples mate. I thought it was crazy and so did the worldly people in the small town we lived it. I was a waitress and I knew the talk of the town. Everyone was wondering what was going on seeing Joe with Sally knowing Joe was married to Sue and Sally was married to Mark. It was just bizarre and I hated it.
I know so many on this board say that two people of the opposite sex could not ride alone in a car in their congregation. I kind of wish I was in one of those halls as it really helped to destroy my marriage. I just truly hated my husband driving around for hours with a women my age who was truly a knock out and who hated my guts and who was in a very bad marriage as both her and her husband let everyone know.
LITS
http://www.bit.ly/jwleaks-anonymous.
hello citizens of the world.
we are anonymous.. dear brothers and sisters,.
I know when I was calling Bethel three years ago over the pedophiles in the hall I went to Bethel clearly indicated there was list.
I sent the PUBLIC court records of one of the child molesters to Bethel and then spoke to a brother in the writing department. The brother I spoke to had defiantly read them from his verbal communication with me. It seemed that they were going to keep the court records on file somewhere was the clear impression he gave me.
The matter got turned over to the service department and they were not near as nice, kind, or caring as the writing department. In fact they were just down right jerks toward me about my being upset over pedophiles going door to door. But I am sure they kept the records as one of the attorneys I spoke to at Bethel told me over and over that the elders are independent agents when I asked what would happen if one of the pedophiles they send door to door molested a kid at some home. The attorney at Bethel just kept saying the elders are independent agents over and over. He would not answer my question if Bethel would stand behind the elders if a child was molested. I asked him at least six or seven times and he just kept repeating over and over the elders are idependent agents. It was truly creepy.
LITS
i was a regular taxi for alot of people.. we (wife & family) pick up one sister and her 2 children for many years ...he husband had walked out on her and we did'nt mind.. however when we were asked by the cobe wife to pick up and elderly and infermed bro a 3 day assembly (we had 3 young children) i said no.. we pased her and her daughter traviling alone to the assembly.. .
One of the most upsetting things to me is once I got married my elder husband and I became the taxi service to so many. One sister lived about two miles in the opposite direction from us while we were pioneering. We had to pick her up drive her around all day and they drop her back off or if I had to work that day which was more then likely then my husband and her would go out in service alone. She was married and so my husband told me it was no big deal for them to be alone as well 'she was married and so was he.' Like the fact that she as married would keep them from having an affair?
It used to hurt like heck when they would drop me off for work and she would hop in the front seat and they would take off. She never gave us a dime for gas as she told me why should she? After all we were going to pioneer whether she was with us or not. She was truly a BITCH toward me and right in front of my husband, but my husband told me that he saw the sweet side of her. Something I missed I guess.
Yet when I was young and out on my own for the first time I lived three houses away from a older sister. I would walk to her home for a ride to the meetings. I was barely making it financially, there were times I did not have enough money for food. I would stock up on Top-Ramen, mac and cheese and that is what I would eat for weeks sometimes.
So here this sister did not even have to go out of her way to take me to the hall and yet one day she totally shredded me for not giving her gas money. I was so hurt, I had never even thought about giving her money as she went anyway. I weighed about 100 pounds at the time I truly do not think my weight sucked up so much gas.
After that I walked to the meetings which were three miles away even at night which was totally not safe while she drove her empty car to the hall.
The elders all knew and could care less about me. Yet once I had my own car and especially once I got married we were the taxi service for all the nut cases.
It still hurts.
LITS
so my sister-in-law got reinstated a few years back, after more than 15 years out.
i thought it was so that her mother could get baptized and not have to worry about shunning her.
(that did happen.
I feel so sorry for him though I was just like him when I was his age.
I wanted to go to Bethel so bad. I visited when I was 19 years old and I loved it. Being a sister it was something I thought would never happen, but then my husband and I both got in with the temporary construction program while they were building 90 Sands.
I was 28 years old when we went and to tell you the truth I loved a huge amount of Bethel. It beat the heck out of ridding around in a over crowded car for 8 to 10 hours a day with people who hate you. Pioneering I was working 30 plus hours a week at low paying jobs struggling just to survive while my husband hardly worked so he could be the only elder in the hall. We did not have a marriage but the CO told me not to worry that I could have my husband in the new system as Jehovah was using him now I stupidly bought all the crap. So at Bethel even though I worked 5 and a half days a week and all day Sunday was taken up with the meetings and field service I still had more time, more time for myself and as a couple for the first time in my marriage I had a husband.
The huge problem is the pecking order of things. I saw new boys treated like dirt by some of the old timers. One brother in the hall we went to was bullied horribly in the laundry department. There was hazing where I worked though they would never call it hazing.
There was so much meanness and hatefulness. I was sick seeing it all. I truly when I was there bought into it all. I in my heart of hearts thought it was the "truth" the true religion. I would not have been at Bethel if I did not believe it, I am just not that kind of person who could fake things. I just could not understand and wrap my mind around what I was seeing.
Our fist table assignment was a couple who were in their mid 40's. He had came in when he was 19 years old and married his wife when he was early 20's. Bethel was all he knew. I will never forget my first week at Bethel and how they both seemed to HATE BETHEL! I was shocked. They made discouraging, hateful remarks about life at Bethel. It was like they were trapped. I just could not wrap my mind around what I was seeing.
I know where I live they just downsized out one of the couples that where there when we were. I thought they were old when I was there and here almost 20 years latter they were kicked out. Bethel was all they knew, rumor had it the husband gave up a very promising career to go to Bethel. They have to be in the mid 70's. Now they are out of the only home they ever truly knew living about 70 miles from where I am.
Truly the best thing that could happen to your nephew is that he gets assigned to a job where they bully him and he get hazed in such away that it wakes him up.
I am truly sorry because it is such a shame and a huge waste of his young life.
LITS
i was a regular taxi for alot of people.. we (wife & family) pick up one sister and her 2 children for many years ...he husband had walked out on her and we did'nt mind.. however when we were asked by the cobe wife to pick up and elderly and infermed bro a 3 day assembly (we had 3 young children) i said no.. we pased her and her daughter traviling alone to the assembly.. .
My husband was an elder and I was an elders wife and we had to pick up everyone who needed a ride. None and I mean none of the other elders would. I was so frustrated, my husband said they would have to answer to Jehovah. Yeh so what. One family live three block from one of the elders and yet the elder assigned a sister who lived three miles away to pick up this family. I told my husband no way would I pick them up with the elder and his wife being only three blocks away.
Oh my husband and I had fights over this. The sister who would not put her baby in a car seat while ridding in our car. My husband and I would get into yelling fights over this. I had to call the insurance company over it and have them threaten to drop us unless the idiot put her baby in a car seat.
I hated picking up ones because they were all crazy and viewed us as a taxi never giving us a dime much less a thank you.
LITS
on page 171 of the "learn from the great teacher" book published in 2003 it shows a picture of a very cute little girl holding a ragged ann doll.
she is sitting on a chair in her bedroom with her hand out toward a man that is coming toward her.. the paragraphs say "so just as jesus needed protection, you also need to be protected from grown-ups-and even from other children-who may try to have sex with you.
usually, these people will pretend to be your friends.
Thank you fleaman!
It is so funny that you say I am absurd when I find these words from your wonderful GB upsetting.
From page 170 of the Great Teacher book par 2 and 3
"Do you remember from Chapter 10 of this book what the Devil and his demons try to get us to do?- Yes, they try to get us to have the kind of sex relations that God says is wrong. But who only should have sex relations?- Yes, two grown people of the opposite sex who are married to each other. However, sad to say, some grown-ups like to have sex with children.When they do, boys and girls may begin to do bad things that they have learned from these grown-ups. They also begin to use their sex organs in a wrong way. That is what happened a long time ago in the city of Sodom. The Bible says that people there, "from boy to old man," tried to have sex with men who had come to visit Lot.-Genesis 19:4, 5."
Yep I am absurd to find these words horrible, I am absurd to find it very harmful to tell a child that has been rapped that they may begin to do bad things that they have learned for these grown-ups who RAPPED them. Yes call me absurd.
But your inlighted self as you said in your post #1720 Sorry, but im struggling to see what is wrong with the advice given? (Fleaman ) Really you have to struggle to see what is wrong with this advice.
Call me absurd. Funny only really you and JT feel that these words are wonderful. Also both you and JT have said that the public school teaches this. What school uses the words Devil and his demons, Satan and his demons when trying to tell kids not to let people touch their penis or vulva? Like you said in your post 1679 "Seriously, Im interest" (bad spelling not mine.) No seriously what public school uses the words that as to quote you just one more time (" Sorry, but im struggling to see what is wrong with the advice given?"
I am glad to see that Joe Patreno is not alone in the way he thought you could keep him company.
LITS
i was just thinking that out of the 200 jws that i actually know, at least 4 of them to my knowledge are pedophiles.
i know for a fact, through personal confidences.
that means, as far as my circle of jovo friends/acquaintances goes, 2% of them are kiddy fiddlers.. without mentioning names or details, how many do you know of for a certainty to be pedos, and what percentage does it work out at, considering all your circle of jovo friends?.
3 in the hall I went to.. No one was allowed yo no, I was threatened with being DFed if I told.
LITS
on page 171 of the "learn from the great teacher" book published in 2003 it shows a picture of a very cute little girl holding a ragged ann doll.
she is sitting on a chair in her bedroom with her hand out toward a man that is coming toward her.. the paragraphs say "so just as jesus needed protection, you also need to be protected from grown-ups-and even from other children-who may try to have sex with you.
usually, these people will pretend to be your friends.
fleaman thanks for doing your part to keep this very important subject alive.
LITS
once again, rick simons (the lawyer representing candace conti) has shared some helpful information.
if you do not live in the usa but need assistance finding a lawyer who understands how to properly handle a child abuse case involving harmful watchtower policy, please contact:.
jeff anderson or mike finnegan at anderson advocates in minnesota, as they are the center of a general national network of child sex abuse lawyers.
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